The sublime Liebestod from Richard Wagner’s Tristan und Isolde, conducted by Sir Simon Rattle, Berliner Philharmoniker. Japan 2004 Part 3 of 3
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March 19th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
I’m sorry, but this man seems to just be flailing his arms, and not even in beat. Especially at the final climax(es.) He isn’t giving them ANY indication at all about the beat and you can clearly hear how sloppy they are. None of them are together because they’re all trying to guess when to come in on the beat. I would not want to be under his “direction.”
April 1st, 2008 at 10:25 pm
I completely agree. Perhaps the worst performance I ever heard.
April 9th, 2008 at 5:52 am
You are 100% correct. This is embarrassing for a premier orchestra and a big name like Rattle. Check out “Prelude and Liebestod, pt. 2 Blake Richardson, conductor” here on YouTube for the best Liebstod I’ve ever heard. This college kid Richardson and a festival youth orchestra give this performance it’s lunch!
April 15th, 2008 at 12:27 am
Superlative. I feel sorry for those unable to appreciate great music-making, bent on criticising a conductor’s ‘beat’. This orchestra needs no such thing, and doesn’t rely on guess work for their impeccable sense of ensemble.
April 19th, 2008 at 3:05 am
Great music-making happens with a great conductor. This conductor is NOT. Therefore, as clearly heard by their horrible tempo and togetherness problems, dosen’t qualify even remotely to be appreciated as great music-making. I think your username is quite fitting. Either way, the musicians themselves are marvelous. They all sound gorgeous, but the song is simply terrible due to a horrible conductor. edcassells is right, Richardson, a college kid is better a million-times-over than Rattle.
April 21st, 2008 at 4:48 pm
On the contrary, I have the ability to appreciate music more than most due to my extensive classical training and performance experience. It’s the uninformed neophytes who can’t discern between what is good and what is not who think valid criticism is sour grapes. Based on your user name, I believe you fall into that category. You don’t know what ‘good’ is. If you did, you would retract your statement that this is ‘great music-making’ and the orchestra has an ‘impeccable sense of ensemble’.
April 21st, 2008 at 4:50 pm
That’s how you determine a favorite conductor? God help the future of classical music.
April 29th, 2008 at 10:26 am
edcassells I take that personally, and on this rare occasion I feel the need to defend myself. I don’t for one minute doubt your ‘extensive classical training and performance experience’, which is why you spotted Blake Richardson’s excellent efforts. I simply don’t agree with rew0691’s opinion that Rattle on this occasion is ‘just flailing his arms’, or that the BPO embarrassed themselves here. So I stand by my comments, and will ignore your ‘uninformed neophyte’ quip.
April 29th, 2008 at 10:42 am
rew0691, have you ever played under Rattle? Do you have the first inkling as to what makes a great, as opposed to horrible, conductor? It seems to me you don’t like his interpretation of this slice of Wagner, and that’s fine. Just keep your lavish praise of him to yourself, unless of course you can do better?
July 13th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
The greatest piece of music ever written.
Richard Wagner = GOD!
October 12th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Why quarrel over how the conductor is conducting?We,humans,always try to find fault in others just for the sake of thinking”Oh theres a mistake u didn’t notice”
Just enjoy the music instead…
November 29th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
GO BASS CLARINET! I apologize -I had to do it just once!
December 28th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
i also don’t find his gestures effective, especially when the orchestra resolves the big chromatic passages at the end and he looks a beat early. to be sure, his other recordings with Berlin, like the Bruckner 7 here on youtube, are the best i’ve heard, even better than conductors like celibidache
January 13th, 2009 at 1:39 am
I love jungman he is so sexy
February 8th, 2009 at 4:06 am
Lovely.
May 14th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
An intensely moving account – I find the phrasing and sound ravishing. Bravo Rattle, bravo BPO!
May 25th, 2009 at 8:58 am
the recording quality is horrible..
I can hardly hear any details, nor do I get any bass.
furthermore I think at the ‘climax’ point (~5.00) he is taking things far too easy…. those parts need to be like explosions, not smooth waves!
July 3rd, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Perhaps you should trust the players of the Berlin Philharmonic…? They are known for being a fiercely independent ensemble and recently they renewed Rattle contract. Evidently they trust him, and in this case, I would certainly follow their opinion over yours.
August 5th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Wagner and youtube
You should not enjoy wagner on youtube
Two different worlds
but you are right … I could also hear a few discrepancies between 5:20 and 5:30. That killed the whole developement of the atmosphere.
August 21st, 2009 at 11:30 am
Okay give me some negative comments. I don’t care. Wagner is probably the suckiest of the opera composers. I don’t think he knew that much about vocal compositions. Some of his instrumental only compositions like his overtures are amazing though. As demonstrated here by Liebestod without the female voice.
August 27th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Yeah what do you know about music…. Probably as much as a damn 2 year old. You don’t have a right to question Simon Rattle. He is God.
September 12th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
So tender, so beautiful! Not so feverish as Karajan or Solti.
October 12th, 2009 at 3:30 am
well i’m sorry that you have trouble enjoying some of the most sublime art ever produced in all of history
October 25th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
so powerful, he was truly trying to find a higher way of perfection. This song has moved me very much. Its very passionate.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
ich träume davon dass sich jemand findet der sich um mich kümmert